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Headphones, Pro Tools, Plugins & Interface/Modeller

Postby Tenebrous » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:15 pm

Greets,

After a lot of searching, I finally decided to pull the trigger on the Avid DigiDesign Eleven Rack. I compared so many sound clips, videos & features against the Zoom G3/5, Line 6 Pod HD, Digitech GSP1101 & the rather expensive Axe Fx... The 11R won :) It doesn't have as many effects as the Pod or Axe, but hell, I don't use that many! Just give me great tones with a delay n a bit of verb 8-) Cool as hell!

Anyway, headphones! I don't have a huge budget at the moment, so I was looking around on eBay at ones under £50 and I found these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shure-SRH240A ... 3f190d986c

I know Shure is pretty much the industry standard for Microphones, so I doubt their headphones are bad... Are they? I'll be researching those more over the next few days.

Now... Pro Tools! Whilst I was leaning towards the GSP 1101 (amazing bit of gear), I was pretty set on using Reaper to record. As Digidesign make the Eleven Rack AND Pro Tools, them being together in a bundle is cool for me... But how steep of a learning curve is pro tools? Can it be as simple as I want it to be? Can it be as complex as I need it to be?

Plugins! I guess these are just like... Expansions, for pro tools? Was thinking about picking up a Midi Keyboard so I could record some stuff right on. String sounds especially would be awesome :) That kind of stuff should already be in the software right? At least a few sample sounds?
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Re: Headphones, Pro Tools, Plugins & Interface/Modeller

Postby Laurie » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:26 pm

Don't know about protools, but I can tell you with all the emotion I can muster - don't skimp on the headphones!

50 quid won't cut it IMHO. After years of putting up with second best I ended up with Beyer DT770 PRO's. Couple hundred bucks.

I don't get physical or aural fatigue anymore. And they are very, very accurate.

Not saying the Beyers are the ultimate headphones, just that spending real money for pro phones makes enough difference to justify the expense.
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Re: Headphones, Pro Tools, Plugins & Interface/Modeller

Postby nathanscribe » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:39 pm

Regarding headphones, take a look at the Sound on Sound shootout: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan10/a ... phones.htm

I've got two pairs at the moment, BeyerDynamic DT150 and DT250. The 150s are very plain, they're hard wearing and serviceable, they've got a decent frequency response but are very flat and not really suited to meticulous listening so much as banging a track down and being able to hear what you're doing. Good isolation. The DT250 are smoother, softer on the ears, lighter, and have a more revealing sound - better for home tracking and maybe a bit of mixing. Both pairs are about £130 I think, from memory.

I used to have some 770s, but thought they were almost too flattering, and exchanged them for the others.

You can spend a lot on headphones. Get the best you can afford. Shure make some good mics but I've no idea about their headphones. They are getting good reviews though, generally speaking - not sure about that set you posted. Personally, if you can at all do so, I'd recommend going to a good shop and trying a few sets. WHen I bought the DT250s, I spent half an hour or more cycling through about six to eight sets till I decided. I had a track on repeat so I could compare how they sounded, how they felt, whether they were tiring in any way, whether they fitted my ears nicely, whether there was detail lacking or dips/humps in the spectrum that would get on my nerves or not tell me what I wanted to know.

When I'm using headphones I tend to use them through a Focusrite VRM Box: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr11/a ... vrmbox.htm

For £70 you get a good USB headphone amp, and it will allow you to select virtual environments to listen in - and they're surprisingly useful, I have about two or three regular setting I go back and forth between to help judge mixes. It's no replacement for the real thing but it's very handy.

Don't be swayed by hi-fi style talk of the kind you'll find in audiophile magazines... read a good technical magazine instead. And try some. That's the best way.

As for PT, I can't help there, but from what I see, most DAWs are pretty much capable of everything your average home recordist would want. PT is the standard in studios, Logic if you have a Mac at home, Cubase if you have a Windows machine, Reaper if you don't like the others, Live if you want performance tools. Reaper is very cheap, and gets very good reviews and seems increasingly popular - but be aware that any DAW is going to present a steep learning curve to the beginner. Take your time, read a lot, and dabble. Use whatever online tutorials you can find.

PT is not geared best for MIDI from what I understand, when compared to Cubase/Logic - but I'm repeating what I've read here, not speaking from experience, so YMMV. As for string sounds etc., you should pretty much be able to plug any USB keyboard into your machine and load up some sampled sounds and play them. That's pretty standard these days.
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Re: Headphones, Pro Tools, Plugins & Interface/Modeller

Postby Tenebrous » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:36 pm

Cheers peeps. I knew right away £50 would be a bit low for headphones, and I would be buying nicer ones in the future, but unless I magically sell all my gear that's listed for sale, it's highly unlikely I'll be able to afford a £200 pair of headphones for a while :lol: Just wanted something half decent to plug in at night (can just run the 11R on its own guitar >11r > headphones = tone)

I'll check the SoS link :) Cheers !
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Re: Headphones, Pro Tools, Plugins & Interface/Modeller

Postby Joya2Islam » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:57 am

nathanscribe wrote:Regarding headphones, take a look at the Sound on Sound shootout: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan10/a ... phones.htm

I've got two pairs at the moment, BeyerDynamic DT150 and DT250. The 150s are very plain, they're hard wearing and serviceable, they've got a decent frequency response but are very flat and not really suited to meticulous listening so much as banging a track down and being able to hear what you're doing. Good isolation. The DT250 are smoother, softer on the ears, lighter, and have a more revealing sound - better for home tracking and maybe a bit of mixing. Both pairs are about £130 I think, from memory.

I used to have some 770s, but thought they were almost too flattering, and exchanged them for the others.

You can spend a lot on headphones. Get the best you can afford. Shure make some good mics but I've no idea about their headphones. They are getting good reviews though, generally speaking - not sure about that set you posted. Personally, if you can at all do so, I'd recommend going to a good shop and trying a few sets. WHen I bought the DT250s, I spent half an hour or more cycling through about six to eight sets till I decided. I had a track on repeat so I could compare how they sounded, how they felt, whether they were tiring in any way, whether they fitted my ears nicely, whether there was detail lacking or dips/humps in the spectrum that would get on my nerves or not tell me what I wanted to know.

When I'm using headphones I tend to use them through a Focusrite VRM Box: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr11/a ... vrmbox.htm or https://www.toppctech.com/best-wireless-earbuds-review/

For £70 you get a good USB headphone amp, and it will allow you to select virtual environments to listen in - and they're surprisingly useful, I have about two or three regular setting I go back and forth between to help judge mixes. It's no replacement for the real thing but it's very handy.

Don't be swayed by hi-fi style talk of the kind you'll find in audiophile magazines... read a good technical magazine instead. And try some. That's the best way.

As for PT, I can't help there, but from what I see, most DAWs are pretty much capable of everything your average home recordist would want. PT is the standard in studios, Logic if you have a Mac at home, Cubase if you have a Windows machine, Reaper if you don't like the others, Live if you want performance tools. Reaper is very cheap, and gets very good reviews and seems increasingly popular - but be aware that any DAW is going to present a steep learning curve to the beginner. Take your time, read a lot, and dabble. Use whatever online tutorials you can find.

PT is not geared best for MIDI from what I understand, when compared to Cubase/Logic - but I'm repeating what I've read here, not speaking from experience, so YMMV. As for string sounds etc., you should pretty much be able to plug any USB keyboard into your machine and load up some sampled sounds and play them. That's pretty standard these days.


But how steep of a learning curve is pro tools? Can it be as simple as I want it to be?
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Re: Headphones, Pro Tools, Plugins & Interface/Modeller

Postby sclitheroe » Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:51 am

nathanscribe wrote:
When I'm using headphones I tend to use them through a Focusrite VRM Box: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr11/a ... vrmbox.htm

For £70 you get a good USB headphone amp, and it will allow you to select virtual environments to listen in - and they're surprisingly useful, I have about two or three regular setting I go back and forth between to help judge mixes. It's no replacement for the real thing but it's very handy.

Don't be swayed by hi-fi style talk of the kind you'll find in audiophile magazines... read a good technical magazine instead. And try some. That's the best way.


In lieu of a hardware solution, you could also use a plugin to your DAW for room and speaker modelling, I'm a huge fan of Isone v3 for this, which comes in this plugin pack (so you get some other useful plugins too):
https://www.toneboosters.com/tb_bustools_v3.html

And yes to avoiding hi-fi forums and magazines - they are a breed unto themselves, not unlike pedal-heads, but perhaps taken to another level. :D

My personal headphones of choice are the Grado SR225's - you can spend entirely too much money on Grados if you choose, but the 225's sit just before the knee in the price curve where things take off to ridiculous levels (and honestly, I don't believe there is _that_ much difference between the SR80's, 125's, etc). Fantastic detail, flat EQ (which is awesome, use EQ to enhance, rather than compensate), and open backed, which makes you a lousy neighbor but gives (in my opinion) better results than closed back headphones.

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